| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Dan Freeman
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 652
Location: Wherever I'm sent.
|
 Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: ARE YOU A WHITE PERSON? |
 |
|
Observed Phenomena
People who classify themselves as White are reluctant to disclose whether or not they are White when questioned by a non-white person.
Hypothesis
Racism is White Supremacy and the people who classify themselves as white are aware of its existence.
A white person's reluctance to answer the question speaks to the white person's knowledge of the existence of White Supremacy as a system while their denial and/or dismissal of their ability to function as White People is an expression of Racism in an of itself.
Experiment
Ask people whom you suspect to be "white" the critical question: Are you a White person?
Expected Results
People who you suspect to be White will be hesitant to answer this question particularly when coming from a non-white person.
Example#1
White person: Bush is a total ass! We've got no business in Iraq, we need to get the troops home now and end this stupid war!!!
Non White person: I agree this war should end, the Race War that is.
White person: Race War??? What are you talking about?
Non white Person: The White people who believe in and practice racism/white supremacy are at war with the people they classify as non white.
Non white person: Are you a white person?
White person: What do you mean?
Non white person: I mean are you a white person?
White person: I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Non white person: If we were having a conversation about classic cars and I asked you what kind of car do you have, wouldn't that be appropriate?
Non white person: Hello, are you there?
End
Example #2
Non white person: Are you a white person?
White person: No my skin is not white.
Non white person: I didn't ask you if you had white skin, I asked if you are a white person?
White person: Look, I'm not a Racist ok.
Non-white person: I didn't say you where, I'm just asking if you are a white person?
White person: Ok, I'm Caucasian. Happy now!!
Non-white person: No because "Caucasian" isn't a color and I asked you if you are a white person?
White person: Yes I'm white.
End
REFINE
REPEAT
RECORD
Winston Wolfe
_________________
Understanding is honoring the truth beneath the surface. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: ARE YOU A WHITE PERSON? |
|
|
| Winston Wolfe wrote: |
Observed Phenomena
People who classify themselves as White are reluctant to disclose whether or not they are White when questioned by a non-white person.
Hypothesis
Racism is White Supremacy and the people who classify themselves as white are aware of its existence.
A white person's reluctance to answer the question speaks to the white person's knowledge of the existence of White Supremacy as a system while their denial and/or dismissal of their ability to function as White People is an expression of Racism in an of itself.
Experiment
Ask people whom you suspect to be "white" the critical question: Are you a White person?
Expected Results
People who you suspect to be White will be hesitant to answer this question particularly when coming from a non-white person.
Example#1
White person: Bush is a total ass! We've got no business in Iraq, we need to get the troops home now and end this stupid war!!!
Non White person: I agree this war should end, the Race War that is.
White person: Race War??? What are you talking about?
Non white Person: The White people who believe in and practice racism/white supremacy are at war with the people they classify as non white.
Non white person: Are you a white person?
White person: What do you mean?
Non white person: I mean are you a white person?
White person: I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Non white person: If we were having a conversation about classic cars and I asked you what kind of car do you have, wouldn't that be appropriate?
Non white person: Hello, are you there?
End
Example #2
Non white person: Are you a white person?
White person: No my skin is not white.
Non white person: I didn't ask you if you had white skin, I asked if you are a white person?
White person: Look, I'm not a Racist ok.
Non-white person: I didn't say you where, I'm just asking if you are a white person?
White person: Ok, I'm Caucasian. Happy now!!
Non-white person: No because "Caucasian" isn't a color and I asked you if you are a white person?
White person: Yes I'm white.
End
REFINE
REPEAT
RECORD
Winston Wolfe |
I've run this experiment a number of times. In fact, every experiment that I've ever written that involves another person...I run this experiment in the process of running those experiments. "Programs hacking programs".
The question that sticks out in my mind every time that I've run this experiment is "why am I running this experiment". I had to answer that question for myself.
In attempting to produce a thing called justice there are people who function as racists (white supremacists) who have proven they are not interested in guaranteeing that no person is mistreated and also guarantee the person who needs help the most get the most help (justice). These are the people the question is designed to find. A person can't be a racist (white supremacist) if the person is not a white person so you first have to find out if the person is a white person.
Here is a thread where I explained some of the responses I got back in 2003 when running this experiment. The "Are you a white person" question is what I call "a binary question"...meaning there are only two possible answers, "yes" or "no". No other response is an answer to the question.
Finding out HOW racism white supremacy works...
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
This is data captured from a YouTube conversation with a person that calls themselves Destrcutoro:
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| White people do not have to believe in the definition of racism (white supremacy) I use in order for the definition to be correct. |
| Destrcutoro wrote: |
Why did you only state that only"white people" do not have to believe in the definition of racism you use in order for the definition to be correct?
This is confusing, are you saying that only white people are the only ones that cannot believe in your personal definition?I'm only asking because you only singled out people you classify as "white people". |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| This is called COUNTER-Racism...meaning against racism (white suppremacy) for the purpose of producing justice. |
| Destrcutoro wrote: |
| It seems to me that racism only revolves around anyone non-white in your world. Dude, you think that people classified as white do not receive racism? If you do then youre ignorant to what is going on. Anti-racist people who are classified as white do receive racism by confused people that think that all white people are racists(which are not your beliefs). |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| The white people who are against racism (white supremacy) are against racism (white supremacy). Not all white people are racists(white supremacists) but all racists (white supremacists) are white people. |
| Destrcutoro wrote: |
| Then this would mean that if a black guy that owned a big business and fired everyone he classified as "white" and replaced them with non-white people even though he has the supreme authority or power(supremacy) he would not be a racist because of what reason? |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| Are you a white person? |
| Destrcutoro wrote: |
| Im pretty tan with some freakles and a brown/black birth mark.Most people classify me as Caucasian. |
I did that for a reason. To demonstrate, in the middle of running a counter-racism experiment, how critical it is to use the least amount of words that have the greatest impact. The only question of focus is...Are you a white person?
Get that question answered first and only accept a YES or NO answer. Either a person is a white person or the person is not a white person (non-white person).
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
More of the same conversation and more of the same demonstration. To demonstrate the usage of words. Don't get caught up in trying to make white people understand counter-racism. White people know how to mistreat people on the basis of color because they mistreat people THEY say are not white (non-white) on the basis of color. White people know how NOT to mistreat people on the basis of color because they DON'T mistreat white people on the basis of color. They understand the logic and the behavior.
You don't need to give white people a lesson on why they shouldn't mistreat you on the basis of color. This is extremely important for non-white people to understand.
White people will have you engaged in conversation from now until the so-called year 10,000 about the same thing. You'll see how I begin to narrow the perception by only focusing on one question... Are you a white person?
...which is the only question I should've focused on in the beginning. it would've saved a lot of time and energy.
It was too long again! Later.
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| Either you are a white person or you're not a white person. |
| Destructoro wrote: |
| So what youre telling me is that you like to classify people into races before you treat them how you think white people should be treated and how non-white people should be treated? Thats warped and its also discrimination (discrimination breeds hate whether one knows about it or not). If you ever want the world to be following a guideline that produces justice you should know that if you use discrimination in the name of producing justice you are being a hypocrite that follows a system of double standards. |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| White people tell me they're white...unless they are trying to confuse me, which is characteristic of what a white person that practices racism (white supremacy) does to people THEY SAY are not white (non-white). |
| Destructoro wrote: |
| I thought you were asking me what color my skin is. You should use the term "Caucasian" because it would be less confusing. If you use the the term "Caucasian" you will be less confusing and have less misunderstandings. |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| The questions still stands...for the record...are you a white person? |
| Destructoro wrote: |
I am Caucasian. You should stop using colors to describe people because you will only cause confusion. The term "race" should only be used as a descriptive tool, not to segregate, discriminate and treat people differently according to race(which you are doing).
Its also a cycle, you promote discrimination being done to others indirectly.Its what I like to call "indirect violence" when you classify then discriminate people from your race might see you and also classify and discriminate(which could lead to violence).I could go on forever but I will just say that discrimination changes into hate. You might want to produce justice but when you use discrimination you are producing hate whether you know it consciously or not. |
All the while we are having this conversation this person is posting elsewhere on YouTube that they are answering my question to them which is Are you a white person? and they have never answered the question.
Part of the learning process for non-white people in the practice of counter-racism is to understand when your questions have been answered. If you write counter-racism science experiments and think the process through you should know what to expect. When your expectations are incorrect you adjust your hypothesis so that you understand what you are looking at.
Keep in mind, even though this person is using a lot of words in their response to the question I asked Are you a white person? they still have not answered the question.
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
This is the last e-mail I received after I sent the following message:
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| When you are ready to answer the question I'll talk to you. |
| Destructoro wrote: |
I did answer your question. The fact is that you dont like my answer because it does not conform to the way your ideology handles problems, in other words your ideology controls you making you not function properly. You are like SynQ, a robot.
I will try to answer your question again so that you will know that i'm not trying to "confuse" you.
There are three ways that people are described by race, one way is being described by the government, another way is the way that one self identifies with ones self and the last way is the way someone is described by others.
I will describe my description through gov,me and people other then me.
1. The government describes me as white or Caucasian.
2. I do not consider myself white because I am a tan color so I find the term "white" stupid so, I consider myself non-white/Caucasian. I hope this answers your question, I am non-white.
3. Most people identify me as white or Caucasian. |
Same scenario but this time the person finally says they are "non-white" but they didn't say they are a non-white person. These things could be different. The next logical question could be:
By "non-white" do you mean that you are NOT a white person?
A person could ask this question for clarity. In counter-racism science you can't have confusion...not even a little bit. You have to get super clarity about everything. Why? Because the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) have to keep people confused in order to keep them as subject people. Clarity works toward the production of justice.
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: Re: |
|
|
For clarity, if anyone is reading this, this person asking questions that calls themselves Pooky also calls themselves Destructoro on YouTube. Same person.
| Pooky wrote: |
| Has this person admitted that they are a white or non-white person? |
No. The person stated to me that they are "non-white". The person has NOT stated to me that they are NOT a white person.
| Pooky wrote: |
| Are you going to answer any of this persons questions? |
Yes, when there is clarity of whether or not this person is a white person.
| Pooky wrote: |
And if you are not is it because when you feel like you are faced with hard questions you simply do not answer them?
If this person thinks that these questions are productive would you still ignore them if your perception calls them unproductive.
Who is the judge of productive and non-productive questions?
And if you are going to answer them would you use discrimination against this person? Meaning, if he was a white person would you answer this person one way and if he is a non-white person would you answer him differently then if he was a white person? |
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
I blocked this person Destructoro from contacting me on YouTube and they changed their name to destructoro2 so that they could contact me again. They sent me the following e-mail message:
| destructoro2 wrote: |
I am a Caucasian that sleeps with(sex) with a non-white black female. We are in love. I hope you start burning with hate, buddy.
Take care :) |
I responded by stating the following:
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| I suspected so. |
This person also made additional posts on YouTube on the Counter-Racism Television Channel YouTube page.
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| asafo wrote: |
Very interesting conversation and analysis Edward.
I have a question that is related to this quote of yours:
| Quote: |
| You don't need to give white people a lesson on why they shouldn't mistreat you on the basis of color. This is extremely important for non-white people to understand. |
I remember Fuller stating once in a lecture that in a courtroom, a lawyer never asks a question they don't already know the answer to.
My question is, is it important for non-white people attempting to seek truth in order to promote justice + correctness to know what the logical answer to a question should be before attempting to ask one? And if it is important, how?
Asafo |
No. If you only ask questions about things you already know the answer to you will not learn very much. It is important to ask questions about the things you need answers to in order to promote justice and correctness.
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dan Freeman
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 652
Location: Wherever I'm sent.
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| Edward Williams wrote: |
For clarity, if anyone is reading this, this person asking questions that calls themselves Pooky also calls themselves Destructoro on YouTube. Same person.
| Pooky wrote: |
| Has this person admitted that they are a white or non-white person? |
No. The person stated to me that they are "non-white". The person has NOT stated to me that they are NOT a white person.
| Pooky wrote: |
| Are you going to answer any of this persons questions? |
Yes, when there is clarity of whether or not this person is a white person.
| Pooky wrote: |
And if you are not is it because when you feel like you are faced with hard questions you simply do not answer them?
If this person thinks that these questions are productive would you still ignore them if your perception calls them unproductive.
Who is the judge of productive and non-productive questions?
And if you are going to answer them would you use discrimination against this person? Meaning, if he was a white person would you answer this person one way and if he is a non-white person would you answer him differently then if he was a white person? |
|
Classic.
The original Hypothesis was that Racism is White Supremacy and the people who classify themselves as white are aware of its existence.
Further,
A white person�s reluctance to answer the question speaks to the white person�s knowledge of the existence of White Supremacy as a system while their denial and/or dismissal of their ability to function as White People is an expression of Racism in an of itself.
I suspect the repeatability of this particular experiment may have contributed to the question 'Are You a White Person' being know loosly as THE CRITICAL QUESTION.
But I could be incorrect.
_________________
Understanding is honoring the truth beneath the surface. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| asafo wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
For clarity, if anyone is reading this, this person asking questions that calls themselves Pooky also calls themselves Destructoro on YouTube. Same person.
| Pooky wrote: |
| Has this person admitted that they are a white or non-white person? |
No. The person stated to me that they are "non-white". The person has NOT stated to me that they are NOT a white person.
| Pooky wrote: |
| Are you going to answer any of this persons questions? |
Yes, when there is clarity of whether or not this person is a white person.
| Pooky wrote: |
And if you are not is it because when you feel like you are faced with hard questions you simply do not answer them?
If this person thinks that these questions are productive would you still ignore them if your perception calls them unproductive.
Who is the judge of productive and non-productive questions?
And if you are going to answer them would you use discrimination against this person? Meaning, if he was a white person would you answer this person one way and if he is a non-white person would you answer him differently then if he was a white person? |
|
Very Interesting.
Mr. Williams, how do you know that Pooky & Destructoro are the same person? Did this person "Pooky" say that himself? |
Yes.
| asafo wrote: |
If he didn't do so, did you at some point in your interaction with "Pooky" stated to him that you were aware of his identity on YouTube? and if you did what was his response?
If he did tell you that he was the same person as "Destructoro" on YouTube, did you at any point inquire him about why is he pretending that he is not the same person as "Destructoro"? |
No.
| asafo wrote: |
and if so what what his response?
Asafo |
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dan Freeman
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 652
Location: Wherever I'm sent.
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| Lex wrote: |
| How does someone admitting they're white show they're not racist? There are people who say things like "Say it loud - I'm white and I'm proud." They admit that they're white, but by saying that they become suspect racists. |
How does someone admitting they're white show they're not racist?
A person admitting that they're white DOES NOT redeem them from being suspect-racists. It's just a white person admitting that they're white.
Because we exist in a system of racism/white supremacy it's logical to suspect that the people who are classified as white as suspect racists.
_________________
Understanding is honoring the truth beneath the surface. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| Lex wrote: |
| How does someone admitting they're white show they're not racist? |
Lex,
There are no logical mechanics for a person to say they are a white person and that "showing" they are not a racist (white supremacist) under a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy).
Are you a white person?
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| Lex wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
Are you a white person? |
Yes. |
Thank you.
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Edward Williams
Site Admin
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 3254
Location: I am from everywhere I've ever been and everywhere I've never been
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| Lex wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| Lex wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
Are you a white person? |
Yes. |
Thank you. |
I don't understand why you're thanking me. |
Are you asking a question? If not I'll have to delete your post according to the FAQ. If you are asking a question please rephrase.
_________________
What is the reason YOU were born into a SYSTEM of INJUSTICE if not to replace it with a SYSTEM of JUSTICE? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dan Freeman
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
Posts: 652
Location: Wherever I'm sent.
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: |
|
|
| Lex wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| Lex wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| Lex wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
Are you a white person? |
Yes. |
Thank you. |
I don't understand why you're thanking me. |
Are you asking a question? If not I'll have to delete your post according to the FAQ. If you are asking a question please rephrase. |
OK. Why are you thanking me? |
Lex, please follow the rules and regulation presented in the FAQ.
Thanks again.
_________________
Understanding is honoring the truth beneath the surface. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
Secure Donations
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in
