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Ladyjedi-Djedet
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 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Prayer |
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Peace and blessings Mr. Williams,
The Creator of what?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Prayer |
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| Ladyjedi-Djedet wrote: |
Peace and blessings Mr. Williams,
The Creator of what? |
Ladyjedi-Djedet,
The creator of anything.
People do not create anything, we arrange what is already here. For a person to create something means the person will have to create themselves and they are already here...already here arranging things. No person produces somehing out of nothing. People, generally speaking, don't even have a concept of "nothing". We say we do especially when we are asked certain things...What's happening?...nothing, What you doin'?...nothing. Even when we think of something that we say is nothing it is something.
That which creates one thing creates all thing because all thing are connected.
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Ladyjedi-Djedet
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Prayer |
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| Edward Williams wrote: |
| Ladyjedi-Djedet wrote: |
Peace and blessings Mr. Williams,
The Creator of what? |
Ladyjedi-Djedet,
The creator of anything.
People do not create anything, we arrange what is already here. For a person to create something means the person will have to create themselves and they are already here...already here arranging things. No person produces somehing out of nothing. People, generally speaking, don't even have a concept of "nothing". We say we do especially when we are asked certain things...What's happening?...nothing, What you doin'?...nothing. Even when we think of something that we say is nothing it is something.
That which creates one thing creates all thing because all thing are connected. |
Mr. Williams,
Could you please simplify your answer to my question into a counter-racist definition and possible link to it from this definition?
It is difficult to understand a word ("Prayer"),
if its definition depends on a word ("Creator"),
and that word has no clear definition.
My use of word, "Creator" Has temporarily been haulted, due to the fact that someone asked
a very logicial question in refrence to the word that my brain (computer) is still trying to process.
Your clarification of these words will help in this investigation.
Thankyou in advance
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Edward Williams
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Prayer |
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| Ladyjedi-Djedet wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| Ladyjedi-Djedet wrote: |
Peace and blessings Mr. Williams,
The Creator of what? |
Ladyjedi-Djedet,
The creator of anything.
People do not create anything, we arrange what is already here. For a person to create something means the person will have to create themselves and they are already here...already here arranging things. No person produces somehing out of nothing. People, generally speaking, don't even have a concept of "nothing". We say we do especially when we are asked certain things...What's happening?...nothing, What you doin'?...nothing. Even when we think of something that we say is nothing it is something.
That which creates one thing creates all thing because all thing are connected. |
Mr. Williams,
Could you please simplify your answer to my question into a counter-racist definition and possible link to it from this definition?
It is difficult to understand a word ("Prayer"),
if its definition depends on a word ("Creator"),
and that word has no clear definition.
My use of word, "Creator" Has temporarily been haulted, due to the fact that someone asked
a very logicial question in refrence to the word that my brain (computer) is still trying to process.
Your clarification of these words will help in this investigation.
Thankyou in advance |
What was the question they asked you?
Let me see if I can clarify my answer to your question.
We call it creation when we put something together (arrange things together that were already created...including people) that we have never arranged in that manner before and/or we don't know of anyone else that has arranged things in that manner before...we say we created it. That is a poor choice of words.
The racists (white supremacists) have a "god"...their "god" is themselves. And they do not tolerate any other "god" that does not look like them. They say they created this or that and they mean it. They mean the "god" of you...the one you answer to. Not the person "one"...the collective "one"...the racist code. The code that is practiced by the white people who choose to practice racism (white supremacy). That is what non-white people answer to...what these people who say they are white say and/or do...their code...their behavioral code.
Counter-Racist Logic says that the Creator has other attributes as well. The codebook refers to one of them as "All POWER" (what some people call omnipotent) but there are others such as "All Knowing"..."Omnipresent" (Present everywhere simultaneously.)...etc. I choose to use the Creator attribute because I have to do less work with words using it than if I use All POWER. The codebook defines All POWER on page 28 as:
"The force that is most often referred to as "God", and/or "the Creator", etc., and is the greatest force in the known universe.
This force (the sum total of all that is known and unknown) is generally thought to be a power that is greater than all other "powers" in the known universe.
Whereas there has been great disagreement about the form of this force, there is little disagreement as regards the existence of this power, and/or the existence of a "closely interrelated" combination of forces that "cause" this power.
The codebook also explains that the racists (white supremacists) do not have All POWER...they exercise Superior POWER in reference to people...which is second only to All POWER among the people of the known universe. The people the racists (white supremacists) subject tot their Superior POWER are non-white people.
I say prayer is communication with the All POWER (Creator). This means everything I think, say, and do is communication with the Creator. This puts the onus on me to make sure my thoughts, speech, and/or action is going down the path of guaranteeing no person is mistreated and also guaranteeing the person that needs help the most get the most help. I don't wait for it to be done for me by anyone and/or anything.
This means if I want a new car I pray about it by using speech and/or action to get it. I may clean up my credit, go looking on car lots or the Internet for the kind of car I want, save money for a down payment if necessary, etc. I don't just keep riding the bus thinking and saying I want a new car and never save any money, never clean up my credit, never go looking at what's available in my price range, etc.
Please let me know if I should say more.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Prayer |
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Greetings Mr. Williams,
I have two questions concerning this definition:
(1.) Where is the evidence that prayer is occuring anywhere on this planet?
(2.) Will the following thread be deleted?
Thank you. |
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Edward Williams
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Prayer |
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| James Jones wrote: |
Greetings Mr. Williams,
I have two questions concerning this definition:
(1.) Where is the evidence that prayer is occuring anywhere on this planet?
(2.) Will the following thread be deleted?
Thank you. |
(1) I was created and I'm thinking, speaking, and doing things right now. Evidence of this message being typed is evidence I'm praying according to the definition I gave above.
(2) Huh? I am guilty of not looking up the word in the Definitionary before I posted this definition. I will figure out how to move this thread underneath the thread you started Mr. Jones. Thank you for bringing this to my attention sir.
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James Jones
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Prayer |
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| Edward Williams wrote: |
| James Jones wrote: |
Greetings Mr. Williams,
I have two questions concerning this definition:
(1.) Where is the evidence that prayer is occuring anywhere on this planet?
(2.) Will the following thread be deleted?
Thank you. |
(1)I was created and I'm thinking, speaking, and doing things right now. Evidence of this message being typed is evidence I'm praying according to the definition I gave above. |
(1.) When were you created?
(2.) The message being typed is a message being typed. What does a person engaged in prayer say and/or do, that a person who isn't engaged in prayer not say and/or not do, according to your definition of the word prayer?
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| (2) Huh? I am guilty of not looking up the word in the Definitionary before I posted this definition. I will figure out how to move this thread underneath the thread you started Mr. Jones. Thank you for bringing this to my attention sir. |
No problem, Sir. |
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Edward Williams
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:55 am Post subject: Re: Prayer |
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| James Jones wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| James Jones wrote: |
Greetings Mr. Williams,
I have two questions concerning this definition:
(1.) Where is the evidence that prayer is occuring anywhere on this planet?
(2.) Will the following thread be deleted?
Thank you. |
(1)I was created and I'm thinking, speaking, and doing things right now. Evidence of this message being typed is evidence I'm praying according to the definition I gave above. |
(1.) When were you created? |
I don't know.
| James Jones wrote: |
| (2.) The message being typed is a message being typed. What does a person engaged in prayer say and/or do, that a person who isn't engaged in prayer not say and/or not do, according to your definition of the word prayer? |
The same things.
| James Jones wrote: |
| Edward Williams wrote: |
| (2) Huh? I am guilty of not looking up the word in the Definitionary before I posted this definition. I will figure out how to move this thread underneath the thread you started Mr. Jones. Thank you for bringing this to my attention sir. |
No problem, Sir. |
I am not succesfully able to join threads together but I am successfully able to split threads. Isn't that interesting? I will lock this thread until the posts are moved over to the original Prayer thread by the people who posted them in this thread and then I will delete this thread.
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