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amethyst
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 Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:13 am Post subject: "balkanization" |
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Not sure if this means much but I found it interesting.
I was watching a program on tv, and this particular episode of the program was centered around a speech about Black people that Bill Cosby made at a convention. The show is hosted by two males who I suspect are white, I'm not certain. The guest who was invited to answer questions about what 'Bill Cosby said' was a non white male who was a university professor. One of the males who I suspect could be white asked the non white male this question, "Do u think that affirmative action has created a balkanization between white people and black people". I can't recall the exact quote of what the non white male said but it was sumthin along the line of, 'affimative action has greatly benefitted Black people'.
I've never heard this term used before so when I first heard the term 'balkanization', the first thing that came to my mind was a region. Also I found it interesting that it was used in the same sentence as affirmative action. I was aware that their was a region referred to as the Balkans and I've always heard the terms 'the Balkans' somehow always being referred to eastern europe, I could be incorrect on that. I then thought about whether the people in the region referred to as eastern europe are white or not because I can recall hearing some white people debate the issue of whether people in eastern europe are white people or not. Anyway, to make a long story short I looked up the term in the Random House Webster's College Dictionary and this is the definition given for the term:
balkanize- v.t., to divide (a country, territory, etc.) into small, often quarrelsome states.
Has anyone ever heard this term being used when the issue of race is discussed?
I'm trying to find out if this is a term that is used to describe situations with non white people or not. |
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Dan Freeman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| balkanize- v.t., to divide (a country, territory, etc.) into small, often quarrelsome states. |
By that definition, all non white people are "balkanized" anyway.
"A country, territory, etc"
etc.=non white people
Intrestingly, "balkanizing" sounds like practicing racsim/white surpemacy.
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"Do u think that affirmative action has created a balkanization between white people and black people". ...
Right off the bat I am already confused by this question...
specifically the word "Balkanization" which I do not know the meaning of that Word....
"Affirmative action has created Balkanization between white people and black people"
What is Balkanization ?
Actually, I would probably ask...
What is Affirmative Action ?
Who created Affirmative Action ?
Why and For What ?
Why was Affirmative Action created and put in place in the FIRST PLACE ?
Also, I suspect "Affirmative Action" wasnt the thing/concept/idea, etc... that "created Balkanization" between White People and Non-White People....
People created AA, as well as, any "Balkanization" between White People and Non-White People...
but What People did that ?
(Note: Notice how the Suspect White Person asked if "Affirmative Action" (NOT PEOPLE) Created any "Balkanization" between White People and Non-White People. He/She basically took away the potential FOCUS off of White People (Who I suspect are responsible for "AA" and any "Balkanization" between Whites/Non-Whites) altogether right there.)
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Edward Williams
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:48 am Post subject: Re: "balkanization" |
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| amethyst wrote: |
Not sure if this means much but I found it interesting.
I was watching a program on tv, and this particular episode of the program was centered around a speech about Black people that Bill Cosby made at a convention. The show is hosted by two males who I suspect are white, I'm not certain. The guest who was invited to answer questions about what 'Bill Cosby said' was a non white male who was a university professor. One of the males who I suspect could be white asked the non white male this question, "Do u think that affirmative action has created a balkanization between white people and black people". I can't recall the exact quote of what the non white male said but it was sumthin along the line of, 'affimative action has greatly benefitted Black people'.
I've never heard this term used before so when I first heard the term 'balkanization', the first thing that came to my mind was a region. Also I found it interesting that it was used in the same sentence as affirmative action. I was aware that their was a region referred to as the Balkans and I've always heard the terms 'the Balkans' somehow always being referred to eastern europe, I could be incorrect on that. I then thought about whether the people in the region referred to as eastern europe are white or not because I can recall hearing some white people debate the issue of whether people in eastern europe are white people or not. Anyway, to make a long story short I looked up the term in the Random House Webster's College Dictionary and this is the definition given for the term:
balkanize- v.t., to divide (a country, territory, etc.) into small, often quarrelsome states.
Has anyone ever heard this term being used when the issue of race is discussed?
I'm trying to find out if this is a term that is used to describe situations with non white people or not. |
Nope, never heard of that word before. It appears to be just another word that is being used to cause confusion because there doesn't seem to be a definition for it. If you come across a definition for the word please let me know.
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amethyst
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| RangerX wrote: |
People created AA, as well as, any "Balkanization" between White People and Non-White People...
but What People did that ?
(Note: Notice how the Suspect White Person asked if "Affirmative Action" (NOT PEOPLE) Created any "Balkanization" between White People and Non-White People. He/She basically took away the potential FOCUS off of White People (Who I suspect are responsible for "AA" and any "Balkanization" between Whites/Non-Whites) altogether right there.)
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Good point .....the two suspect white males definitely kept the conversation on non white people by trying to get the non white male guest to answer for what 'Bill Cosby said', that right there(attempting to answer for what 'Bill Cosby' said) showed that the conversation would be nothing more than a body slam fest and the person who was getting body slammed was the non white male guest. I also noticed a tactic that was used on the non white male. I suspect that it was the 'good cop, bad cop' routine. One suspect white male was more aggressive by stating that what was said by Mr. Cosby was on point and that Black people need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, they have "affirmative action", brown vs. board of education..so on and so forth. However, the other suspect white male appeared to be comforting by stating that he understood the struggles of Black people because of the 'legacy of slavery', so on and so forth. The non white male although a university professor didn't seem to stand a chance and at times displayed signs of utter confusion, I suspect it was also because not enough questions were asked by the non white male and words used by the suspect white persons were not asked to be defined...
(Virtual_GOD wrote):
Nope, never heard of that word before. It appears to be just another word that is being used to cause confusion because there doesn't seem to be a definition for it. If you come across a definition for the word please let me know.
I'm currently lookin for some of the ways that this word is being used. I'll try to post some of the results this weekend. |
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Pardon me for asking but,
What's the point of that?
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amethyst
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| smallz wrote: |
Pardon me for asking but,
What's the point of that?
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I'm not sure who you're refferring to with this question, but whats the point of what? |
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Dan Freeman
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:29 am Post subject: |
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I'm asking,
what's the benifit of "lookin for some of the ways that this word is being used"?
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amethyst,
I would ask the White Person that is asking me that question and used the word "Balkanization" to define "Balkanization", state the meaning/definition for that word, and also, to answer all the other questions I asked about "affirmative action"....
Basically, I am asking for clarification about the Question he/she just asked me...
Then I will answer his/her question.
Just a suggestion, I would have the White Person who stated the word "Balkanization" state the meaning of the word he/she used, I would Not spend time and energy elsewhere trying to find out the meaning for myself of a word which I have never heard before, I would ask the Source itself.
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Edward Williams
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:10 am Post subject: Re: |
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| RangerX wrote: |
amethyst,
I would ask the White Person that is asking me that question and used the word "Balkanization" to define "Balkanization", state the meaning/definition for that word, and also, to answer all the other questions I asked about "affirmative action"....
Basically, I am asking for clarification about the Question he/she just asked me...
Then I will answer his/her question.
Just a suggestion, I would have the White Person who stated the word "Balkanization" state the meaning of the word he/she used, I would Not spend time and energy elsewhere trying to find out the meaning for myself of a word which I have never heard before, I would ask the Source itself.
-RangerX
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I agree. There is also a question Josh used to ask that went a little somethin' like this...hit it...
Is "Affirmative Action" designed to compensate non-white people for a SYSTEM of white supremacy (racism)?
I think Josh used to say "black people". I modified it way back when because I have found that using the words "non-white" and "white supremacy (racism)" adds the punch...the one-two punch. No matter how white people try to describe "Affirmative Action" to a non-white person that is what they are gonna be talking about...something white people allow non-white people to have.
Just another aspect of welfare because all non-white people, under the SYSTEM of white supremacy (racism) are welfare recipients.
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amethyst
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| smallz wrote: |
I'm asking,
what's the benifit of "lookin for some of the ways that this word is being used"?
smallz |
OK.. the reason why I stated that was because I was attempting to find out how the word is being defined by finding the out the ways the word is being used, not sure if that makes sense but thats how I was thinking.
Ranger X wrote:
"amethyst,
I would ask the White Person that is asking me that question and used the word "Balkanization" to define "Balkanization", state the meaning/definition for that word, and also, to answer all the other questions I asked about "affirmative action"....
Basically, I am asking for clarification about the Question he/she just asked me...
Then I will answer his/her question.
Just a suggestion, I would have the White Person who stated the word "Balkanization" state the meaning of the word he/she used, I would Not spend time and energy elsewhere trying to find out the meaning for myself of a word which I have never heard before, I would ask the Source itself. "
Ok..because of the way its explained I understand now...."Not spend time and energy elsewhere trying to find out the meaning for myself of a word which I have never heard before, I would ask the Source itself".... thanks.. |
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