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cloudsong



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neckst,

I don't know. Sometimes when someone's company is withdrawn, it gives greater motivation to earn their company.

White people do need to earn the company of non-white people.

On the other hand, I give my company to white supremacists even though they don't deserve it because I feel that they, more than anyone, need love, caring -- at the heart of their white supremacy is fear and self-loathing. If I give them contempt, they hate themselves even more and act even more cruelly, selfishly and racistly. I see that in Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, all the white supremacists -- a core of inhumanity that will be made worse by continuing the vicious cycle of hate.

Nothing is solved by an eye for an eye. Everything will be solved by love, ultimately.

When you give someone love who doesn't deserve it, sometimes wonderful things happen. This codified language is a Just and loving attempt to counter hatred - that's why I'm intrigued by it and trying to learn here. I'm sorry if I'm sometimes arrogant in my disagreements here.

I do feel justice will be achieved faster by more togetherness in all ways, but I could be wrong.

cloudsong
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

cloudsong wrote:
Neckst,

I don't know. Sometimes when someone's company is withdrawn, it gives greater motivation to earn their company.


In order to do what?

cloudsong wrote:
White people do need to earn the company of non-white people.


In order to do what?

cloudsong wrote:
Nothing is solved by an eye for an eye.


How about life for a life?
Maximum-Emergency Compensatory Justice


cloudsong wrote:
Everything will be solved by love, ultimately.

This is correct,
Speech:
Using words to reveal truth and promote Justice and Correctness.
Actions:
Maximum-Emergency Compensatory Justice


cloudsong wrote:
I do feel justice will be achieved faster by more togetherness in all ways.

Sounds like a Code for Thought, Speech, and Action.

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cloudsong



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

NECKST wrote:
cloudsong wrote:
Neckst,

I don't know. Sometimes when someone's company is withdrawn, it gives greater motivation to earn their company.


In order to do what?

cloudsong wrote:
White people do need to earn the company of non-white people.


In order to do what?

cloudsong wrote:
Nothing is solved by an eye for an eye.


How about life for a life?
Maximum-Emergency Compensatory Justice


cloudsong wrote:
Everything will be solved by love, ultimately.

This is correct,
Speech:
Using words to reveal truth and promote Justice and Correctness.
Actions:
Maximum-Emergency Compensatory Justice


cloudsong wrote:
I do feel justice will be achieved faster by more togetherness in all ways.

Sounds like a Code for Thought, Speech, and Action.

(REPLY IN AS FEW WORDS AS POSSIBLE)




For both questions (to do what), the answer is - to treat non-white people with justice and to be treated by non-white people with justice.

As much as is possible by flawed humans - after all, each of us doesn't even treat our own beloved spouse and children with justice at all times.

I and everyone fail a lot but keep trying to express Justice and Love. Neckst, do you think as humans we can ever achieve perfect justice and love? I don't. Not even Mother Theresa. But that is the ideal and we have to achieve it somehow. cloudsong
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

cloudsong wrote:
NECKST wrote:
cloudsong wrote:
Neckst,

I don't know. Sometimes when someone's company is withdrawn, it gives greater motivation to earn their company.


In order to do what?


to treat non-white people with justice and to be treated by non-white people with justice.



This does not PRODUCE a SYSTEM that GUARANTEES that NO ONE is mistreated, and the person in need of the MOST HELP gets the MOST HELP.


cloudsong wrote:
NECKST wrote:
cloudsong wrote:
White people do need to earn the company of non-white people.


In order to do what?


to treat non-white people with justice and to be treated by non-white people with justice.



This does not PRODUCE a SYSTEM that GUARANTEES that NO ONE is mistreated, and the person in need of the MOST HELP gets the MOST HELP.


cloudsong wrote:
Neckst, do you think as humans we can ever achieve perfect justice and love?


1.) Logically speaking, I am not a Human because I lack the ability and know-how of how to be one.

2.) You and I have already agreed that "everything will be solved by love."


NECKST wrote:
cloudsong wrote:
Everything will be solved by love, ultimately.

This is correct,
Speech:
Using words to reveal truth and promote Justice and Correctness.
Actions:
Maximum-Emergency Compensatory Justice



MY QUESTION WAS NOT ANSWERED

cloudsong wrote:
Nothing is solved by an eye for an eye.


How about life for a life?
Maximum-Emergency Compensatory Justice

MY QUESTION WAS NOT ANSWERED

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Neckst,

Sorry I didn't answer this one -

A life for a life is justified in emergency, yes. I certainly think non-white people have the right to take others' lives if their own lives are threatened in a quest for justice.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

cloudsong wrote:
Hi Neckst,

Sorry I didn't answer this one -

A life for a life is justified in emergency, yes. I certainly think non-white people have the right to take others' lives if their own lives are threatened in a quest for justice.

cloudsong


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HighHouse



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Virtual_God might say:

The climate between a black person and a white person has gone from tacky to trashy......
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Highhouse, why? I don't understand.

Do you feel black people (white people too) can't defend their own lives by taking another life?

What about if your life was threatened?

I am honestly not seeing what is trashy...

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HighHouse



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm mostly just talking about the way NECKST is speaking to you, with capitals and red font. He seems very aggresive and angry at you.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

HighHouse wrote:
I'm mostly just talking about the way NECKST is speaking to you, with capitals and red font. He seems very aggresive and angry at you.
HighHouse,

Instead of observing the tone of the room...

Why don't YOU answer NECKST questions?

1)How far should a Non-White person be from a White person to insure that mistreatment does not occur.

2)How close should a Non-White person be to a White person to insure that they will recieve the most help for any help that is needed?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

cloudsong wrote:
V-God, this is probably the most important question I will ask you and I should have asked it before -- I need to know if one part of your philsophy here is so completely opposite to mine, because if it is I will realize this isn't the forum for me.

My philosophy is to get white and non-white people together, in addition to everything else white people need to do to counter WS/R. My question for you is, do you believe in separatism between white and non-white people?

Logically speaking no person is separate from another person when we are all on a ball called Earth suspended in what is called "outer space".

cloudsong wrote:
Do you believe in all of us spending time together, talking together?

Logically speaking, it will take white people and non-white people to replace the SYSTEM of white supremacy (racism) with a SYSTEM of justice and to do that both white people and non-white people will have to talk among themselves and to each other.

cloudsong wrote:
Your answer to that will tell me if your philosophy, while I agree with much of it, is something I want to participate in, or is something I should recommend to other white people, white people who share my philosophy of getting all people together to talk and dialogue, as well as fighting white supremacy on our own as well.

I need that information to make a judgment about the appropriateness of my participation here, if you are willing to provide that clarification. cloudsong

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