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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:01 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

copious wrote:
smallz,

I believe certain songs promote counter racist thought and linear logical thought as well. Fuller says in the code book that any music that promotes constructive thinking is good music as opposed to noise.

cope


Copious my questions was:

Can anyone give an example of how a "song" counters Racsim?

Whether or not a song promotes counter racist thougth is another discussion.

I'm was intrested in learning precisley HOW a "song" counters Racsim.

Like I said earlier, I was under the impression that countering Racsim is something a person had to do.

On the other hand,

What would motivate a person to counter racsim is anyone's guess....

The pay sure sucks....

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may chime in?

thanx,

*chime*


smallz,

A song counters racism White supremacy by revealing TRUTH


This is what people find so attractive about great songs.

Same thing with comedians. The best comedians are the ones who reveal truth.

Both singers and comedians achieve this through the use of words.

Musicians achieve this through the use of sound.

Ever seen a woman so beautiful you were speechless?

Thats the level the creator of all that is known and unknown is at.



stop droolin and get back to work!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be incorrect but words on a piece of paper do not counter racism (white supremacy). I suspect this is why Dr. Welsing says it will take a "critical mass of people"...whatever that means. I noticed she didn't say a "critical mass of songs" or a "critical mass of comedians" or a "critical mass of books".

Everything in the universe comes down to two things...saying and doing...and songs can do neither when there are no people to sing them...or write them. It will take people to counter racism (white supremacy)...people.

I suspect what people are talking about in this thread is words...having the words that have definitions to reveal truth and can be used to promote justice and correctness in all places and at all times. If this is not what is being talked about in this thread...what are we talking about?

If this is what we're talking about...a word in and of itself have no value if people don't use them. What we're talking about is sounds...now how can a sound counter racism (white supremacy)? You probably pass hundreds of sounds just walking down the street...sounds in Iraq right now!

You gotta have people...but not just people...people that think, speak, and/or act to replace white supremacy (racism) with justice. People that redefine words so that when the words are used they reveal truth and promote justice and correctness.

As I stated at the outset...I could be incorrect.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:12 am    Post subject: intresting. Reply with quote

The original question was, how can a song counter racism?

Now I understand that songs have an effects that songs have on people. Because WORDS have an effect on people. But I also understand as V-god had pointed out, that PEOPLE write songs. They don't write themselves. This is why I asked, "how can a song counter racism?"

Now if songs DON'T counter racsim, what are we talking about?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: intresting. Reply with quote

smallz wrote:
The original question was, how can a song counter racism?

Now I understand that songs have an effects that songs have on people. Because WORDS have an effect on people. But I also understand as V-god had pointed out, that PEOPLE write songs. They don't write themselves. This is why I asked, "how can a song counter racism?"

Now if songs DON'T counter racsim, what are we talking about?

smallz

I got one Smallz,

How do a song help PROmote counter-racism/white supremacy?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do a song help PROmote counter-racism/white supremacy?


I don't know.

Where is this going?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

smallz wrote:
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How do a song help PROmote counter-racism/white supremacy?


I don't know.

Where is this going?

smallz

Well I think some songs help promote counter-racism science.

Such as, helping non-whites come into the realization of counter-racism science… or in the perception of asking questions--- which can lead them anywhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this question would be easier to answer if some counter racism songs actually existed.

In spite of Black peoples great ability in terms of music, I don't think Ive ever heard a song designed specifically to replace White supremacy with Justice.

I heard many songs describing racism; many songs complaining about it; many songs begging and pleading for it to stop...

But I don't think "counter racism songs" exist in terms of effective constructive suggestion of what a VOR should DO to end it...


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Josh wrote:
I think this question would be easier to answer if some counter racism songs actually existed.

In spite of Black peoples great ability in terms of music, I don't think Ive ever heard a song designed specifically to replace White supremacy with Justice.

I heard many songs describing racism; many songs complaining about it; many songs begging and pleading for it to stop...

But I don't think "counter racism songs" exist in terms of effective constructive suggestion of what a VOR should DO to end it...


yet

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Maybe these niggers read what you wrote...

Ras Kass wrote:
Album: Soul On Ice
Song: Nature of the Threat

Let freedom ring with a buckshot, but not just yet
First we need to truly understand the nature of the threat
And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness
Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved
with the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive
Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin
Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans
So the mutants traveled North of the equator
Called Europeans later, the first race haters
So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta
Cause history's best qualified to teach one
Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer
"Every white man is a faded or a bleached one"
Migration created further mutation
Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination
Adaptation to the climate
As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate
Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age
That's when the Black Grimaldi man came
With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art
Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf
Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units
Those who travel West populated Europe
Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans
1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and
created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
A white dot on the forehead meant elite
The black dot - defeat; untrustable, untouchables
They wrote the holy Vedas in Sanskrit
That's the language that created Greek, German, Latin and English
Now the Minoans around 2000 B.C.
Starts on the island of Crete, in the Agean Sea
The Greek culture begins Western Civilization
But "Western Civilization" means "White Domination"
Myceneans learned from Kemet, called Egypt in Greek
It existed since at least 3000 B.C.
Creatin geometry and astronomy
This knowledge influenced Plato, Socrates and Hippocrates
Cause Imhotep, the real real father of medicine
Was worshiped in Greece and Rome in the form of a Black African
The word Africa comes from the Greek "Aphrike"
meaning "without cold"; the word philosophy means "love of knowledge"
Stole from first man, Greek power expands
The first Greek fraternities band
The word gymnasium is Greek for "naked"
This was the place where adolescent boys were educated, and molested
This was accepted because Greek culture was homosexual
For example, Sappho trained girls on the island of Lesbos
Hence, the word lesbian (Ay let these dumb motherfuckers know)
December 25th, the birth of Saturn
A homosexual god, now check the historical pattern
December 25, now thought the birth of Christ
Was Saturnalia, when men got drunk,
fucked each other then beat their wife
Fact is, it was still practiced, til they called it Christmas
So put a gerbil on your Christmas list
The Hellenistic Era, Alexander the Great
Conquers all the way to India leavin four successor states
By the Fifth century B.C., R.O.M.E.
succeeds to be the conqueror of Egypt and Greece
But had the threat of the Black Phoenicians in Sicily
The Punic Wars began 264 B.C.
The Black general Hannibal and Carthaginian Peace
In 146 B.C. Carthage fell after a six-month siege
Rome sold every citizen to slavery
The first genocide of history
And more bisexuality in sight; Julius Caesar was known as
"every woman's husband and every man's wife" (BEOTCH!)
Spartacus Revolt, a slave rebellion that lost
Where 6,000 slaves was nailed on a cross
Cross? Aw, shit! Jesus Christ! Time for some-act-right
Christians get your facts right
Cause Christ was not his name
That's Greek for "One who is anointed"
Yoshua Ben Yosef was his name, do Christians know this?
So who do you praise, do you know his name?
Or do you do this in vain?
Accepting the religion they gave slaves to behave
Peep the description of historian Josephus
"Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus"
He had the Romans fearing revolution
The solution was to take him to court and falsely accuse him
After being murdered by Pilate how can it be
these same white Romans established Christianity
Constantine would later see the cross in a dream
In his vision, it read "En Hawk Signo Wonka":
"In this sign we conquer" - Manifest Destiny
In 325 he convened the Nicean Creed
And separated god into three
Decided Jesus was born on December 25th
and raised then on the third day is a myth
Plus to deceive us
Commissioned Michelangelo to paint white pictures of Jesus
He used his aunt, uncle, and nephew
Subconsciously that affects you
It makes you put white people closer to God
(Yo, 'The Man' got game like a motherfucker!)
True indeed, fuck it, Jihad
In the eight century Muslims conquered
Spain, Portugal and France and controlled it for 700 years
They never mention this in history class
cause o'fays are threatened when you get the real lesson
Moors from Baghdad, Turkey threatened European Christians
Meaning, the white way of life; hence the Crusades for Christ
On November 25th, 1491
Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
A day of "Thanksgiving" for all European Christians

.. Now listen, when you celebrate "Thanksgiving"
What you are actually celebratin
is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
These Moors, these black men and women
were from Baghdad, Turkey
And today, you eat the turkey, for your "Thanksgiving" day
as the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers
Now fight the power, you bitch-ass niggaz!

Now around this time, Whites started callings us Negroes
That's Spanish for black object meaning we're not really people
but profit, and the triangle trade begins - they seize us
Queen Elizabeth sends the first slaves on a ship named Jesus
Stealin land from the indigenous natives
Gave them alcohol to keep the Red Man intoxicated
Whites claim they had to civilize these pagan animals
But up until 1848 there's documented cases
of whites bein the savage cannibals, eatin Indians
In 1992, it's Jeffery Dahmer
They slaughtered a whole race with guns
Drugs, priests and nuns
1763, the first demonic tactic of biological warfare
As tokens of peace, Sir Jeffery Amherst
passed out clothin and blankets to the Indian community
Infested with small pox, knowin they had no immunity
Today it's AIDS, you best believe it's man made
Cause ain't a damn thing changed.. let me explain
Now since people of color are genetically dominant
and Caucasoids are genetically recessive
and Whites expect to be predominant, meaning survive as a race then
they simply must, take precautions
That's why they're worried about their future now
Cuz by 2050, almost all the Earth's population
will be brown, then black, so understandin that, whites counterreact
(I'm sayin.. man.. them fools
ain't nothin but a teaspoon of milk in the world color majority)
So they created a system
to force blacks into an unnatural position
That re-enforces the position of natural inferiority
In addition, created guns and developed the ethnocentric view
that God justifies every fuckin thing they do
Condition people to perceive whites' culture as civilized
and every other culture considered primitive - not true!
Racism is the system of racial subjugation against nonwhites
in every areas of human relation
Entertainment, education, labor, politics
Law, religion, sex, war and economics
See blacks were 3/5ths of a man with tax purposes intended
You think you're Afro-American?
You're a 14th amendment and a good nigga
Jews don't salute the fuckin swastika
but niggaz pledge allegiance to the flag that accosted ya
They never teach about the break of islands like Jamaica
But before slaves came here whites would take a
pregnant women, hang her from a tree by her toes
Slice her stomach with a knife
and let the unborn baby fall to the flo'
And stop an unborn child in front of all the slaves
to inbreed fear, so they'd be scared and behave
and not rebel more
Understand all whites must be perceived as potential predators
I paraphrase historian Ishakamusa Barashango
"Understand that regardless of the lofty ideas ingraved on paper
in such documents as the Constitution or Declaration
the basic nature.. of the European American white man
remains virtually unchanged".. so check
This is the nature of the threat

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the counter-racist strategy or technique that is being proposed in this thread?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Virtual_GOD wrote:
What is the counter-racist strategy or technique that is being proposed in this thread?
Songs, a form of entertainment, could be used to help promote Justice. By helping those who don’t over-stand what white supremacy/racism is, or how it work, thru songs or words expressed by the stretching or lowing of ones voice (sounds).

Hell it took “Beautiful Brother of mine” by Curtis Mayfield, for me to really get the message.

And as a plus, songs help victims better deal with the fact they are victims of racism/white supremacy… while promoting JUSTICE.

Swing low, sweet chariot, coming to carry me home”--- Victim of racism/white supremacy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rasist /white supremist uses media/communications to promote and sustain injustice all the time .Though it is true that a song itself can't rwswj this music is our format of which whites have found it to be ither imposible or undesirable to silence fully.so it comes down to the artist's knowledge, intent, and dedication to distribute code to a resistant audience.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Gnomadd wrote:
The rasist /white supremist uses media/communications to promote and sustain injustice all the time .Though it is true that a song itself can't rwswj this music is our format of which whites have found it to be ither imposible or undesirable to silence fully.so it comes down to the artist's knowledge, intent, and dedication to distribute code to a resistant audience.


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this music is our format of which whites have found it to be ither imposible or undesirable to silence fully. so it comes down to the artist's knowledge, intent, and dedication to distribute code to a resistant audience.


Although this may be true, non-white people still have the ability to choose what it is that they want to say. Whether that be constructivce or destructive "musicians" have that ability..

I can recall Jay-Z say,
"Since I know what I'm up against, we as rappers must decide what's most important..."

Distributing code (i.e. constructive suggestions, using words to reveal truth) instead of lyingin in 85% of their rymes. That's not difficult. My favorite rappers in my opinion, are at their best lyrically, when their using words to reveal truth...

To me that's the "beauty" of Rap or if not it should be.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: No Guarantees Under White Supremacy Reply with quote

While I personally have never herd any song with suggestions for replacing racism/white supremacy with justice. I have re-written one (the original author is Chico Debarge) that helps to reveal truth..

Whenever I start lieing to myself about romance (the way of the Romains) or expecting anything from a non-white male, I listen to the original song in the background and read these words.

It never fails!

It snaps me right back into reality. Next thing I know I'm focused and ready to get back to work.


Tittle: No Guarantees Under White Supremacy

Got a one room apartment
To a little tiny space
Isn't much,but keeps the rain drops
Off my pretty baby's face
I'm just getting by
And the moneys spent
Don't even know how I'm gonna pay the monthly rent
But I know exactly what I wanna do
I wanna tell the truth to you


(Chorus)
I know your wandering what I mean
I know your wandering what I mean
Nothing in life is guaranteed
Under White Supremacy
I never know just were I'm going
They decide direction in my life
They decide direction baby


(Chorus)
Nah,nah,nah
No guarantees
Under White Supremacy
No guarantees


While I was out window shopping
I put your coat on layaway
You know I wanna do more baby
Soon as they increase my pay
Starting from down
It's hard to kept your head
Making love every night
On a squeaky bed
That's right thats the way it is
There are no guarantees



(Chorus)
I know your wandering what I mean
I know your wandering what I mean
Nothing in life is guaranteed
Under White Supremacy
I never know just were I'm going
They decide direction in my life
They decide direction baby


(Chorus)
So anything you wanna do
So anything you wanna do baby
I can't promise to be there for you
I can't promise to be there
So let's just keep it truthful
keep it truthful
let's keep it truthful


(Chorus)
Nah,nah,nah
No guarantees
Under White Supremacy

No guarantees
Nah,nah,nah
No guarantees
Under White Supremacy
No guarantees



Life has no guarantees
Life has no guarantees
Baby if you be with me
Baby if you be with me
I can't promise you nothing
I can't promise you nothing
Under White Supremacy
Under White Supremacy



Yo what would you rather have
Would you rather be told the truth or lied to
Tell me
If you had a choice between the truth and a lie what would it be


The original lyrics to this song can be found here.

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/chico-debarge-no-guarantee-lyrics.html
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