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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

RecoveringAa wrote:
Ok!

Greetings All.
First I must say, I'll be interested in seeing if Pooky did in fact run that counter-racism experiment.

I had plans on asking a follow-up question to the original, however, I've forgotten the beginnings having gotten a bit lost with the Pooky business.

Oh Yes, non-white folks being racist. I tend to agree with Edward Williams logic. What came to mind as I read the original post and question was non-white folk speaking with other non-white folk in a way which is consistent with racist/white supremacist(lunatics).
That is to say, often times when I'm in communication with other non-whtie people, I have a sense I'm taking to a racist/white lunantic.

Abena

Hello RecoveringAa,

Are you asking a question or making a statement?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

RecoveringAa wrote:
Greetings Edward and Thank you for asking.

I was attempting to do both.
I answer of the original question with a suggestion that I consider any dialogue with a non-white person (Afreekan Descendents in particular) which leaves me with a sense of being rejected, leads to confusion in my thought and feeling state, and/or with a sense that an injustice has been perpetrated against me are in fact, racist remarks.

Does this make sense?

No. Is it possible for you to refine and/or rephrase your question?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a problem. Are you attempting to ask if non-white people place their faith in the image of the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) and also identify with and imitate the behavior of the white people who practice racism (white supremacy)?

I don't usually use the word "faith" unless it helps to "focus the conversation". Please do not hesitate to rephrase that question if it is along the lines of what you were thinking. I suspect it could be but may not be specific enough for the answers you seek.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

RecoveringAa wrote:
RecoveringAa wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Not a problem. Are you attempting to ask if non-white people place their faith in the image of the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) and also identify with and imitate the behavior of the white people who practice racism (white supremacy)?

I don't usually use the word "faith" unless it helps to "focus the conversation". Please do not hesitate to rephrase that question if it is along the lines of what you were thinking. I suspect it could be but may not be specific enough for the answers you seek.

Greetings and Thank you for the focus.
Yes to your question. I would add or rephrase in such a way as to suggest that those behaviors consistent with racist/white lunantics are reflected in the speech of non-whites (Afreekan Descendents).
When I in conversation with racist/white lunantics, I have often left those conversations with a sense that I am a failure, that what I have come to know is wrong and a overall sense of rejection of who I am and what I bring to the universal struggle for Justice.
I also leave conversations with other Afreekan Descendents with the same sense. I conclude that the style, choice of words and meanings behind those words are consistent with those out-lined by racist/white lunantics. This constitutes for me, "racist remarks" being made. The definition for "racist remarks" is broader than simply one or two phrases like calling a non-white "nigger".


There is no question here. Just a sharing of some thoughts which came to mind after hearing you speak in another forum.
1. I first limited my view of "racist remarks" to a comment or statement which included no more than @ five words.
2. I then moved to broaden "racist remarks" to full-fledged conversations with people involving several paragraphs of words.
3. In conversations (which invloves several paragraphs of words) with other non-white people, I frequently leave the conversation with a sense that it was the other person's intent to 'discredit' what I am saying.

In summation, I say yes, non-white's can and do make racist remarks as they have placed their faith in the practices of the racist/whtie lunantics and their identity has been whited-out and they/we (non-whites) now imitate the behaviors in speech and words of the racist/white lunatics in our fight for freedom.

Ok, so now I have a question.

Does THIS make sense?

Not to me. According to compensatory counter-racism logic non-white people are not members of a race, they are victims of race. Race is Racism and Racism is White Supremacy.

Children cannot make the same remarks to another child that a pedophile makes to a child and they mean the same thing...a prisoner can not make the same remarks to another prisoner that the warden makes to both prisoners and they mean the same thing...a slave in the bottom of the slave ship cannot make the same remarks to another slave that the slave master of the ship makes to both of the slaves and they mean the same thing. Because they are not in the same position. The slave master of the slave ship is in the supreme position in terms of power. The warden of the prison is in a supreme position in terms of power. The pedophile is in a supreme position in terms of power.

When I say supreme I don't mean correct. I just mean the person is able to do what they want to do the way they want to do it and no one has proven, beyond a shadow of doubt, that they can make them do otherwise. So we are not in a supreme position even when we talk to each other as long as the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) are still in existence because they are in a supreme position over all of us.

Therefore, non-white people are not in a position to qualify as being a race of people. We may use the same words as the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) and sometimes even arranged the same way but they don't have the same impact according to the evidence because we are not in the same position as them. We are in an inferior position in terms of power. If we lose sight of that we will never be able to measure the loss of their power.

I would also like to say that non-white people don't usually use words to get a job done. We usually just move words around to either make ourselves feel good, make each other feel good, or make someone feel bad. We don't usually have a broad ranging long-lasting universal objective...like the objective of producing a worldwide universal SYSTEM of justice...for all time. We usually just throw words around in order to satisfy our individual needs. We are small scale thinkers...niggerized thinkers...two week thinkers. The white people who practice racism (white supremacy) will make a one thousand year plan while we're making a two week plan. That is one of the basic differences between white people and non-white people.

Once we start thinking we are a race of people we are immediately confused. If you are a member of a race then you practice racism. If you practice racism you practice white supremacy because racism IS white supremacy. Never disconnect racism from white supremacy even in your thoughts because you will end up confused. If you think you are a member of a race you will not be able to follow that logic. You can still be a black person and not be a member of a black race.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think about what you're saying. Are you usng the same words that came from racist suspects in your explanation to me of your position in your last remark?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

RecoveringAa wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Think about what you're saying. Are you usng the same words that came from racist suspects in your explanation to me of your position in your last remark?


Yes. The same way as you are in your remarks to me. The words we are using to communicate with are words that come from racist suspects.

So, following that logic, if you and I are both using the same words in our talks with each other, and these are the words that we received from the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) and when they use these words the words are racist remarks...so when we use these words the words are racist remarks...so in fact when we use these words in talking with each other you and I are racists (white supremacists) too?

Is that what you're saying?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

RecoveringAa wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
RecoveringAa wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Think about what you're saying. Are you usng the same words that came from racist suspects in your explanation to me of your position in your last remark?


Yes. The same way as you are in your remarks to me. The words we are using to communicate with are words that come from racist suspects.

So, following that logic, if you and I are both using the same words in our talks with each other, and these are the words that we received from the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) and when they use these words the words are racist remarks...so when we use these words the words are racist remarks...so in fact when we use these words in talking with each other you and I are racists (white supremacists) too?

Is that what you're saying?


No that is not what I am saying.
I am saying or suggesting, that it is possible for non-white people to use the same tools of racist/white lunatics to do the same thing...hurt, harm, exercise power and control over the actions of another. It is not along the grand scales of the most powerful and smartest people on this land, yet, it is reflective of those racist/white lunatics. A microcosm if you will.

When racist/white lunatics do it, we call it racism/white lunacy. I know non-white people have been programmed to function AS IF they too are white people.

The reality is that your and I ARE non-white people. How often have we 'listened' to a person and the only way to clearly identify who are they is by seeing them or asking them what their ethnic background is. Many VICTIMS of racism/white lunacy sound like racist/white lunatics in their speech. They express the sentiments of racist/white lunatics. They seem to THINK the way racist/white lunatics do about people who they have differentiated themselves from. I think I need to check into some of the counter-racism experiments conducted and I trust I can find examples to apply from there.
In Rev. Wrights recent address to the NAACP he speaks some to what I am currently experiencing. The difficulty of communicating my thoughts and feelings utlizing left brain activity ONLY. I prefer to talk vs. type words. I do better when I am in DIRECT communication. This format limits my ability to clearly articulate what I want to say.
I am pressed for time at the moment and will have to come back.
I appreciate and THANK YOU for the time you have taken with me. I appreciate the opportunity to continually challenge myself and succeed in expressing my thoughts and feelings with words on a screen.
I too am listening to a song by a reggae artist; Macka B. singing \"Word, Sound and Power\" on my player in the recovery room.

Oh sure...there are a lot of non-white people that follow white people...all over the planet non-white people do this. You got people falling into the water dying with their babies in their hands trying to get next to the people have the greatest ability to influence the behavior of other people...and that ain't me. Sounds like that ain't you either.

Knowing that non-white people follow white people you can use this to your advantage by going right past the non-white people and focusing all of your attention on and against the smartest and most powerful white people, meaning the white people who practice racism (white supremacy). No need to attempt to debate the followers...or attack the followers...or argue with the followers.

I have the same problem. I just finished reading the codebook in 2005. I picked it up in 2001 and I put it down in 2001. I called up Mr. Fuller and told him I was already doing most of the things in there that I saw. I have audio copies of all of the conversations I've ever had with Fuller and have a couple of those in rotation on the Counter-Racism Radio Network right now. There are people who have been reading and I suppose studying the codebook for over ten years...some of who told me that non-white people should just try to be the best they can be at whatever they want to do. I asked them if they were suggesting that non-white people be the best thieves they could be or the best drug dealers they could be and they responded by saying "yes". Another non-white person said if non-white people don't understand what you're talking about when you talk about replacing the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice "leave them niggers alone". His exact words. I asked him what is the process for helping the people who need help the most get the most help without mistreating anyone if I take the position if you don't understand what I'm talking about you are on your own. He still hasn't answered that question. So I know what you mean.

But these things are to be expected under the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy). Do non-white people mistreat each other? Yes. Are we helping the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) when we do this? Yes. Are we helping the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) just by being subject people in their SYSTEM of mistreatment? Yes.

A prisoner in a prison is helping the warden of the prison just by being a prisoner in the prison. Whether that prisoner mistreats other prisoners or not. So it's not about prisoners mistreating each other. Get over that. It is going to happen in this prison SYSTEM of injustice. Get over it and start tearing down the prison all on your own because you are all you got. I have to be the bearer of bad news but that is it...you are all you've got.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know exactly what you mean. But that is the reason the United-Independent method is the best method to use for non-white people who are interested in replacing the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice.

The non-white people (prisoners) who are interested in producing a SYSTEM of justice, and by doing so, eliminating the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy), meaning replacing this unjust prison SYSTEM with a SYSTEM of justice, will be UNITED in their work, because their work will have the same effect, even though they don't always have to agree with what each other says and/or does in their individual (INDEPENDENT) efforts to perform their work.

We really do have a twisted view of what it means to be "together" or to be "separate". The best way to be "together" is to work together toward a constructive outcome. Not to stand side-by-side and rub shoulders. Now there's nothing incorrect about standing side-by-side and rubbing shoulders but that has nothing to do with saying what is necessary and/or doing what is necessary while working toward a common goal objective. Even as male and female in partnerships we miss this. Acting as if the most important part of the partnership is the so-called "romance" part when the most important part of the partnership is working together toward common goals and how you work together. If those two people are not working together toward common goals and have a common objective, or at least a clear understanding of each others objectives, it ain't gonna matter how "romantic" you are that partnership ain't gonna last.

The non-white people who are interested in replacing the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice are "together" (UNITED) when they are working toward the production of justice even though their actions may not be exactly the same. At the same time they are UNITED they are also INDEPENDENT of each other because they are individuals. I have learned to find solace in the process for producing justice and develop affection for the process of producing justice.
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