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lalaphansi



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Questions Reply with quote

1. Where is the evidence that race is a colour used by the powerful whites to oppress.

2. Why do powerful white people need the racist system to protect them against the powerful.

3. Do you truly believe skin colour can explain the behaviour of white people to non white people.

4. Are you saying that all whites are the same in terms of power and hence their behaviour to non-whites.

Someone asked me these questions after I started the topic on race on this site: www.edumela.com under the topic racism(white supremacy).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:26 am    Post subject: Re: Questions Reply with quote

lalaphansi wrote:
1. Where is the evidence that race is a colour used by the powerful whites to oppress.

2. Why do powerful white people need the racist system to protect them against the powerful.

3. Do you truly believe skin colour can explain the behaviour of white people to non white people.

4. Are you saying that all whites are the same in terms of power and hence their behaviour to non-whites.

Someone asked me these questions after I started the topic on race on this site: www.edumela.com under the topic racism(white supremacy).

What answers did you give?

Counter-Racism.com is sponsoring a speaking engagement for Mr. Neely Fuller Jr. on the 21st of October in Washington DC. If you like I can ask Mr. Fuller these questions directly and get him to respond on audio...that is if you'd like his answers to these questions. I can also provide my answers if you'd like.

There will be a flyer presented on this website prior to the speaking engagement for October's edification.

Also, if you have any additional questions we can add them to the list of questions for Mr. Fuller. The plan is to present this engagement "live" over the internet using Paltalk so that people from around the world can ask Mr. Fuller questions directly and receive his answers directly.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not answer them as I did not feel competent enough to answer them.

If you can, provide me with answers and please do ask Mr Neely Fueller.

Why don't you guys of counter-racism come to Africa as most Africans still see white people as supreme, they give them a God like status. Convincing them has failed especially the older generations.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

lalaphansi wrote:
I have not answer them as I did not feel competent enough to answer them.

If you can, provide me with answers and please do ask Mr Neely Fueller.

Why don't you guys of counter-racism come to Africa as most Africans still see white people as supreme, they give them a God like status. Convincing them has failed especially the older generations.

Cheers

I have been to what is called Namibia and Durban in what is called Africa.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Durban is a city in a country that is called South Africa. Did you go to present your counter-racism topic or where you touring.

Once I am financially able, I plan to bring you guys over to Zimbabwe/Botswana just close to Namibia and South Africa. Are you available for speaking engagements and what are the procedures and fees.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

lalaphansi wrote:
Actually Durban is a city in a country that is called South Africa. Did you go to present your counter-racism topic or where you touring.

Once I am financially able, I plan to bring you guys over to Zimbabwe/Botswana just close to Namibia and South Africa. Are you available for speaking engagements and what are the procedures and fees.

I went for Namibia's 5 year independence from South Africa back in the early 90's. I flew into Durban and had to drive all the way across South Africa because at the time I didn't know I could've flew into Johannesburg.

I am available for speaking engagements. No fees. Fly me there and back, house me, feed me, and allow me to perform some counter-racism experiments and video them.

I have gone through most of the code book and written three aspects of each suggestion:

(1) What the racists (white supremacists) do in reference to that suggestion.
(2) What the effect is on non-white people
(3) What non-white people can say and/or do to counter what the racists (white supremacists) say and/or do.

I also have some additional things that are not in the codebook. This is by no means an attempt at a rewrite of the codebook but is meant to help add dimension to the codebook. Once it is finished I'll make copies available to anyone interested. But for right now I think it makes a good start at how to speak about counter-racism allowing questions to be asked and brief discussion of the topic before quickly moving to the next suggestion.

I think this helps in terms of structure but I haven't had a chance to test it yet. I know the talks I attend with Neely Fuller and Dr. Welsing seem a lot like church where you'll have someone speaking and everyone else either making brief testimonials or hallelujah-ing. So a more focused structured conversation is need...I think...and I'm doing what I think is the necessary work to bring that to fruition.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its good to read that you are available for speaking engagements. Africans definitely need your services, cause man, they cannot comprehend racism, to them, the white supremacists are like God and I get fed up sometimes trying to enlighten them.

For now, I am still a University student, but I do plan to one day run a business so as to be able to invite you guys over here to help my people understand what they are dealing with.

I would be interested in getting the material you are writing.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

lalaphansi wrote:
Its good to read that you are available for speaking engagements. Africans definitely need your services, cause man, they cannot comprehend racism, to them, the white supremacists are like God and I get fed up sometimes trying to enlighten them.

For now, I am still a University student, but I do plan to one day run a business so as to be able to invite you guys over here to help my people understand what they are dealing with.

I would be interested in getting the material you are writing.

To most non-white people the racists (white supremacists) ARE god. Non-white people will deny it but they keep on doing exactly what the racists (white supremacists) want them to do.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:

To most non-white people the racists (white supremacists) ARE god. Non-white people will deny it but they keep on doing exactly what the racists (white supremacists) want them to do.



And the corollary to that thought process is that counter racist logic and/or the people who use it are "crazy". When I ask the nonwhite people what they mean by "crazy", they imply that countering racism is not possible.

When I ask them why, they say because you can't change a White persons heart.

I then ask them what they can change about their OWN behavior that can help prevent them from being mistreated on the basis of color.

(if I get this far I'm doing pretty good and Its at this point that the nonwhite person begins to do more thinking than talking)

I try to get one suggestion FROM THEM in one of the 9 areas of people activity that THEY SAY THEY CAN DO, to help prevent THEMSELVES from being mistreated on the basis of color.

Once I get one, I ask them if they think they are "crazy" for suggesting and/or practicing their suggestion.

They say "no". I then ask them what the difference is between their suggestion and the suggestions in the code book.


The response I get from people to the concept of a counter racism code is a working experiment that I run continuously. What I've learned is that many nonwhite people haven't grasped the concept of a code; They think of it as an "instruction manual" telling them WHAT TO DO, instead of a concept describing the best way to do ALL THINGS.

This is in complete contrast to White people who understand the value of a code is in the way it keeps you pointed in the correct direction during any problem solving process.

White people who have read the code book do NOT say "its crazy". Somehow, White people learn the definition of a code very early, AND THEY USE IT.

One of the techniques I use for promoting the concept of a counter racism code is to include a condensed version of a safety code in every counter racism code book I give to a nonwhite person; Fire, electrical, (CPR is a good one because its usually a small booklet and they keep it simple)
I know its not very efficient, but its the best way I've found so far to get a nonwhite person to make the connection between the concept of a counter racism code and helping to prevent people from being mistreated on the basis of color.
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