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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:15 pm    Post subject: Doing Away With "Down"? Reply with quote

Why do people say that you can't have justice and injustice in the same universe at the same time?

From my observations you can't have "up" without also having "down". In order to have "up" you have to also know how far up is up. Having "down" helps you to measure that. You can't have back without also having forth. You can't have good without also having evil...and so on.

These people who say you can't have justice and injustice in the same universe at the same time...to me, it's like saying we're going to only have "up" and do away with "down" altogether.

How is this possible?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do not have to possess Justice in order to validate the existance of injustice. You merely have to have knowledge of what Justice should look like; that is, the absense of Racism/White Supremacy. This is not the same thing as actually acquiring said Justice while injustice exists.

In this universe, mutually exclusive opposites do exist. Within the context of R/WS, Justice and Racism/White supremacy are examples of such mutually exclusive phenomena, that will not occur simultaneously.

Keep in mind that the example you used is not a good one; 'up' and 'down' are relative and not absolute terms. As a result, a thing that is 'up' can only be justified by comparing it directly with a thing that is 'down' provided that they are being compared from a third external and impartial frame of reference. Relative terms cannot exist seperately as they may only be quantified through direct measurement and comparison of them both from a third impartial frame of reference.

On the otherhand, 'Justice' and 'Injustice' are absolute terms and are not relative to one another; Justice is guaranteeing that no one is mistreated while guaranteeing that the person who needs help the most, receives the most help. Injustice is Racism/White Supremacy. As absolute terms, they are quite decoupled, and the existance of one does not necessarily imply the existance of the other, even though you may recognize one from the other.

As they exist within their own absolute coordinate systems, measurements may be made and quantified (and this is most important bit) without the mandatory need for comparison between them.
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