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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:31 am    Post subject: \"Reparations\" working experiment Reply with quote

"Reparations" working experiment




Observed Phenomenon:


White people and non white people engage in long endless debates/negotiations to determine what is necessary to make non white people more comfortable existing in the system of racism White supremacy (reparations).



Hypothesis:

Under the system of racism White supremacy, non white people are encouraged to come to a "settlement" with the White supremacists regarding their mistreatment. The debate about "reparations" is designed to shift the focus from producing a system of Justice to maintaining the system of racism White supremacy by discussing how to make the victims of racism more comfortable with their mistreatment.

This experiment is designed to get White people to "do the work" of demonstrating the value of Justice and how no amount of "money", land, diamonds...is compensation for being mistreated, retarded and/or abused. This "back door" approach is done by getting a White person to state the level of compensation they would require in order to be mistreated, retarded and/or abused for their entire life (and their childrens and grandchildrens...)




Experiment:


1. Ask the critical question: "Are you a White person?"

2. On a "yes" answer, ask the White person how much "money" they would require to volunteer to be turned into a Black person FOREVER.

3. Record the answer.

4. Pick some amount less than their answer and ask if they will do it for that amount

5. Record the answer.

6. Repeat #4 until until an amount is achieved below which they will not go.

7. Record that answer.

8. Ask the White person to explain the logic behind their first answer and their last answer ("what can you do with $1,000,000 that you can't do with $999,000?)

9. Ask the White person if all Black people should recieve the amount the White person requested to volunteer to become a Black person.

10. Ask the White person why they would require this amount of money.





Expected results:

1. The White person will attempt to avoid answering question # 2.

2. The White person will not volunteer to become a Black person for ANY amount of money (even in a thought experiment)

3. The White person will choose a large amount of money, but deny that each Black person should recieve that amount as "reparations".



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(this experiment has been refined through the deletion of some questions; term substitutions and some additional language)


COMPENSATION working experiment




Observed Phenomenon:


1. White people try to convince non white people that they are not in a system of racism White supremacy.

2. Non-white people claim they are not victims of racism White supremacy.

At the same time;

3. White people establish and maintain programs to compensate non white people for their mistreatment in a system of racism White supremacy (affirmative action, \"minority\" set asides...)

and,

4. non-white people accept programs to compensate them for their mistreatment in a system of racism White supremacy (affirmative action, \"minority\" set asides...).



Hypothesis:

Under the system of racism White supremacy, non white people are encouraged to come to a \"settlement\" with the White supremacists regarding their mistreatment. The debates about \"reparations\" "affirmative action"...is designed to shift the focus from preventing White people from practicing racism to maintaining the system of racism White supremacy by discussing how to make the victims of racism more comfortable with their mistreatment.

This experiment is designed to get White people to \"do the work\" of demonstrating the value of Justice and how no amount of \"money\", land, diamonds...is compensation for being mistreated, retarded and/or abused. on the basis of color. This \"back door\" approach is done by getting a White person to state the level of compensation they would require in order to be mistreated, retarded and/or abused on the basis of colorfor the rest of their life (and their childrens and grandchildrens...)




Experiment:


1. Ask the critical question: \"Are you a White person?\"

2. On a \"yes\" answer, ask the White person how much \"money\" they would require to volunteer to be turned into a non white person and mistreated on the basis of color for the rest of their life.

3. Record the answer.




4. Ask the White person if all non white people should recieve the amount the White person requested to volunteer to become a non white person.

5. Record the answer




Expected results:

1. The White person will attempt to avoid answering question # 2.

2. The White person will not volunteer to become a non white person for ANY amount of money (even in a thought experiment)

3. The White person will choose a large amount of money, but deny that each non white person should recieve that amount as compensation for being mistreated on the basis of color for the rest of their lives and their childrens and their grandchildrens...



Josh


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Josh wrote:
(this experiment has been refined through the deletion of some questions; term substitutions and some additional language)


"Reparations" working experiment




Observed Phenomenon:


White people and non white people engage in long endless debates/negotiations to determine what is necessary to make non white people more comfortable existing in the system of racism White supremacy (reparations).



Hypothesis:

Under the system of racism White supremacy, non white people are encouraged to come to a "settlement" with the White supremacists regarding their mistreatment. The debate about "reparations" is designed to shift the focus from producing a system of Justice to maintaining the system of racism White supremacy by discussing how to make the victims of racism more comfortable with their mistreatment.

This experiment is designed to get White people to "do the work" of demonstrating the value of Justice and how no amount of "money", land, diamonds...is compensation for being mistreated, retarded and/or abused. This "back door" approach is done by getting a White person to state the level of compensation they would require in order to be mistreated, retarded and/or abused on the basis of colorfor their entire life (and their childrens and grandchildrens...)




Experiment:


1. Ask the critical question: "Are you a White person?"

2. On a "yes" answer, ask the White person how much "money" they would require to volunteer to be turned into a non white person and mistreated on the basis of color for the rest of their life.

3. Record the answer.




4. Ask the White person if all non white people should recieve the amount the White person requested to volunteer to become a non white person.

5. Record the answer




Expected results:

1. The White person will attempt to avoid answering question # 2.

2. The White person will not volunteer to become a non white person for ANY amount of money (even in a thought experiment)

3. The White person will choose a large amount of money, but deny that each non white person should recieve that amount as "reparations".



Josh


You know what though, white people are afraid that black people will unite under the demand for reparations. White people get highly upset when you bring up reparations.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How upset?

More upset than when you reveal what racism is, how it works, and how to counter it?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:35 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Josh wrote:
How upset?

More upset than when you reveal what racism is, how it works, and how to counter it?


Josh


I don't know what makes them more upset, I just know they get upset when we bring up reparations.

check this out. http://www.wewontpay.com/who.html
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Auditor1 wrote:
Josh wrote:
How upset?

More upset than when you reveal what racism is, how it works, and how to counter it?


Josh


I don't know what makes them more upset,


Why don't you ask them?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Josh wrote:
Auditor1 wrote:
Josh wrote:
How upset?

More upset than when you reveal what racism is, how it works, and how to counter it?


Josh


I don't know what makes them more upset,


Why don't you ask them?


Josh


You know I don't normally sit and talk with white folks about racism, how it works and how to counter it. When I encounter white people its usually at work. If I find a forum where its OK to discuss racism/white supremacy with the white supremacist I will ask them.

But I listen to them talk about reparation on radio talk shows and they get all nasty about that topic.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auditor, you don't have to wait for an invitation from White people to talk about race, your a non white person, remember?

A QUALIFIED victim of racism.

Thats a hell of a qualification and White people know it.

If I had cancer (I may already have it and not know it), I would talk about cancer all day long, specifically asking question regarding a cure.

Ain't nobody gonna look at me all funny.

But even if they did, you think I'd give a damn?

Hell no.

Why?

CAUSE I GOT CANCER NIGGA!


Auditor, you ain't got no secrets from White people regarding what its like to be non white.

Matter of fact, they know about forms of mistreatment you aren't even aware of.

If you stay codified when you talk to White people some of them will tell you about them.

I suggest you practice the technique of asking White people questions about racism by starting with those closest to you ("friends", coworkers...)

It will really fast forward your understanding of code.

Maybe you could even decide to ask 1 White person 1 question about race everyday.

Remember, they already know you are qualified to ask because they know you are a victim of it.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ran this experiment today for the first time. I didn't much consider what to say if the white person says they would like to be a black person. I have some additional questions to ask them now...after running it. I ran the experiment twice. The first white person told me he wanted out of the experiment because he didn't like the questions. I got video. I'll probably put it on the Counter-Racism Television Network.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
I ran this experiment today for the first time. I didn't much consider what to say if the white person says they would like to be a black person. I have some additional questions to ask them now...after running it. I ran the experiment twice. The first white person told me he wanted out of the experiment because he didn't like the questions. I got video. I'll probably put it on the Counter-Racism Television Network.



I did not include code for dealing with the White person who says they would like to be a Black person because I wanted to keep the experiment as simple as possible.

but should this scenario occur, here are a few questions you can ask them:


1. What is stopping you from being a Black person?

2. How?

These two questions are designed to get the White person to reveal the mechanism that prevents them from using words in a manner to reveal truth and using truth to produce justice.

My suspicion is that an individual White person is their own mechanism for limiting this behavior i.e. they limit themselves. The difference between a light skinned Black person and a White person is behavior.

All people who classify themselves as White could die tomorrow and another group of people could grab the classification and practice the behavior.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Josh wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
I ran this experiment today for the first time. I didn't much consider what to say if the white person says they would like to be a black person. I have some additional questions to ask them now...after running it. I ran the experiment twice. The first white person told me he wanted out of the experiment because he didn't like the questions. I got video. I'll probably put it on the Counter-Racism Television Network.



I did not include code for dealing with the White person who says they would like to be a Black person because I wanted to keep the experiment as simple as possible.

but should this scenario occur, here are a few questions you can ask them:


1. What is stopping you from being a Black person?

2. How?

These two questions are designed to get the White person to reveal the mechanism that prevents them from using words in a manner to reveal truth and using truth to produce justice.

My suspicion is that an individual White person is their own mechanism for limiting this behavior i.e. they limit themselves. The difference between a light skinned Black person and a White person is behavior.

All people who classify themselves as White could die tomorrow and another group of people could grab the classification and practice the behavior.

Josh

When I don't get a dollar amount after asking question (2) of the "Reparations" working experiment I ask the question:

Does that mean no amount of money will do it for you?
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